and because we're going to be outspent by the machine here with terry mcauliffe. e.w. jackson gets the benefit of all of that work. he and i have discussed this. >> so, brian, this complicates things a lot for cuccinelli, i think, because the mcdonald -- the bob mcdonald model for winning in virginia is if -- at least from 2009 if you're a cultural conservative you downplay that as much as you can on general election, you run on the economy, on jobs. if that's your agenda, you wait until you're governor to do that. but cuccinelli is caught in a position where he has lieutenant governor candidate who has appeal to the really conservative republican party but he's saying things he shouldn't be saying but if he distances himself it offends the base. >> yes. he has conservatives on social and economic issues. nobody wants to lose a governor race, a gubernatorial race but there is a real silver lines for democrats here if they -- if mcauliffe loses and that is that, you know, it might help hold virginia as a fire wall, as a democratic state in 2016 because you're going to h